The rhetoric is heating up. The bloggers are going wild. Who will win? Who will get the last word (besides RAG)? Only time will tell. Have at it.
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It's apparent that RAG and other cLied Allen's cronies are desperate. If cLied wins, then get ready for the other Trustees to ignore him as his arrogance and friends tactics have completely turned off other Board and staff members.
RAG was off his blog for nearly a year. Interesting timing to his re-entry. I suppose Twitter is out for him since you can only have 140 characters per Twit.
The current Board has already banished him...John Steinbrink Sr. was at John's fundraiser (pics were pulled) and not one Board member attended Clied's function. That tells this voter something about their opinion of Clied. He's bashed Yuhas since they were elected together (Oedipus complex?) and knows the rest think he's a joke.
Wow, way to be tough and make fun of someone's name. Takes a real tough guy for that! Come on, seriously, grow up. Do we really have to resort to name calling here?
Actually, I do not see the irony – all I see here are bullies. I guess when the candidate you support has no platform; you have to post comments insulting the other candidate’s name. Can you blame others for not using a name on here? I agree that this name-calling is very immature and disrespectful. Like the other comment states; you people need to grow up.
Never l.iked name calling; pot-stirrer? Duh, where have you been? Anonymous responses go with the territory. Some choose to edit or delete responses. I put my opinion out there and sometimes people agree, sometimes they don't, and sometimes nobody responds. I do this because I like to see what people are thinking. Nothing more. My phrase "have at it" was more of debating the two candidates since some believe you have to prove superiority (but in what respects?). Has anyone truly defined what it takes to be an exceptional public servant? Most of the time we see it in a person we like and respect. Did we know they had all those qualities before they were elected? Not always. So, if I stir the pot, then my job has been done. After all, this is a blog.
Lets get back to apples & oranges. Compare the blogs...RAG posts issues & comments under his own name. Renner & Roscioli blogs censor responses and actually post anonymous comments themselves. About 33% of Renner's anonymous posts are written by him. Don't insult us by denying it.
Actually, Renner's blog is censor free. Posts can be viewed immediately. RAG censors more than most. I've had 3 posts not hit the screen today, 1 by Roscioli. At least here my posts get by without "moderation."
Don't act as if RAG isn't opinionated. Posts the issues? Only the ones which suit his agenda. It's how it should be, after all it's his blog. It's not like his posts need to be objective, nor do anyone's. If you don't like the ideologies, stop visiting the blog. It's not that difficult. Objectivity left the media decades ago, and blaming anyone for being opinionated on their blog is obtuse.
Even a lawyer knows "innocent until proven guilty." I'd like to see their proof on who anonymously blogs. As RAG likes to say, "As such it's irrelevant and any discussion here about it is closed."
You're right RAG does indeed censor in part or whole and this blog does not (anymore - that is appreciated). The other point was that Renner & Roscioli hide behind anonymous comments when they claim to be open with all their comments. You can be assured that Renner wrote the first two posts under this topic himself.
Here’s a FACT to consider: On December 15th, 2008 Trustee Allen voted against prohibiting alcohol at Prairie Family Days. In the minutes of the meeting he is quoted as saying that he voted against this because not only was the wording negative, but also because it "...eliminates all opportunity for alcohol...".
IMHO that's a request to keep the opportunity for alcohol at Prairie Family Days.
Read it for yourself at http://www.pleasantprairieonline.com/boardsandcommissions/villageboard/12-15-08%20VB%20Minutes.pdf
I think alcohol would change Prairie Family Days. Yes, there is a time and a place for nearly everything, including alcohol at other public events, but I’d like to keep the “Family” in Prairie Family Days. I’m voting for John Roscioli for Village Trustee #3.
See RAG's latest blog on Allen vs Roscioli and what RAG said under comments: As the record speaks for itself, the case here is closed on alcohol and gambling at Family Days. No evidence supports any claim that Allen voted in favor of either.
Dick, it's your blog to run how you see fit. My issue is with a contention that yours is more "unbiased" than any other. It's the nature of a blog to create open dialogue, with the author/creator holding THE creative license. You've kept more than slander from your sight, you've deleted rebuttals to your opinion...which is your right, but it still subjectifies all who read your blog. You can't have it both ways.
I've posted critiques of me/my campaign simply because they were issue related. Straightforward slurs (other than the Serpe humor, which I couldn't resist due to it's assinine nature) have been deleted.
Dick, you expect anything less of an incumbent with a mute group of colleagues? Only Serpe was public with his support of Clyde. Everyone else sat on their hands.
I am currently Property Owner Association President (third three-year term; eight years) for Prairie Trails-West Property Owners Association (PTWPOA). I want to make sure we utilize environmentally sound practices. I want to see the Village government treat all citizens with respect and listen when they bring concerns.
27 comments:
It's apparent that RAG and other cLied Allen's cronies are desperate. If cLied wins, then get ready for the other Trustees to ignore him as his arrogance and friends tactics have completely turned off other Board and staff members.
RAG was off his blog for nearly a year. Interesting timing to his re-entry. I suppose Twitter is out for him since you can only have 140 characters per Twit.
The current Board has already banished him...John Steinbrink Sr. was at John's fundraiser (pics were pulled) and not one Board member attended Clied's function. That tells this voter something about their opinion of Clied. He's bashed Yuhas since they were elected together (Oedipus complex?) and knows the rest think he's a joke.
Wow, way to be tough and make fun of someone's name. Takes a real tough guy for that! Come on, seriously, grow up. Do we really have to resort to name calling here?
Now that is irony. Someone posting (anonymously) a sarcastic critique of someone else's (anonymous) NAME-calling. LOL
BTW, Twitter is a bit forward thinking for someone like RAG. Hence his support of Allen.
Actually, I do not see the irony – all I see here are bullies. I guess when the candidate you support has no platform; you have to post comments insulting the other candidate’s name. Can you blame others for not using a name on here? I agree that this name-calling is very immature and disrespectful. Like the other comment states; you people need to grow up.
Immature, I'd agree. But ironic anonymous comments to be sure.
Bullies? Anonymous bravado is more like it. Lose the anonymity and you'd lose 3/4 of your posts.
RAG doesn't post 1/2 the things submitted, Roscioli started a blog to campaign, and Renner is a pot-stirrer.
Never l.iked name calling; pot-stirrer? Duh, where have you been? Anonymous responses go with the territory. Some choose to edit or delete responses. I put my opinion out there and sometimes people agree, sometimes they don't, and sometimes nobody responds. I do this because I like to see what people are thinking. Nothing more. My phrase "have at it" was more of debating the two candidates since some believe you have to prove superiority (but in what respects?). Has anyone truly defined what it takes to be an exceptional public servant? Most of the time we see it in a person we like and respect. Did we know they had all those qualities before they were elected? Not always. So, if I stir the pot, then my job has been done. After all, this is a blog.
Lets get back to apples & oranges.
Compare the blogs...RAG posts issues & comments under his own name. Renner & Roscioli blogs censor responses and actually post anonymous comments themselves. About 33% of Renner's anonymous posts are written by him. Don't insult us by denying it.
I don't censor. Does it say when you post that it will be shown after review? No. So again, you're wrong.
Actually, Renner's blog is censor free. Posts can be viewed immediately. RAG censors more than most. I've had 3 posts not hit the screen today, 1 by Roscioli. At least here my posts get by without "moderation."
Don't act as if RAG isn't opinionated. Posts the issues? Only the ones which suit his agenda. It's how it should be, after all it's his blog. It's not like his posts need to be objective, nor do anyone's. If you don't like the ideologies, stop visiting the blog. It's not that difficult. Objectivity left the media decades ago, and blaming anyone for being opinionated on their blog is obtuse.
Even a lawyer knows "innocent until proven guilty." I'd like to see their proof on who anonymously blogs. As RAG likes to say, "As such it's irrelevant and any discussion here about it is closed."
You're right RAG does indeed censor in part or whole and this blog does not (anymore - that is appreciated). The other point was that Renner & Roscioli hide behind anonymous comments when they claim to be open with all their comments.
You can be assured that Renner wrote the first two posts under this topic himself.
You must know the winning lottery numbers too.
Oh yea, the notoriously opinionated (Renner and Roscioli) post anonymously! Those subtle diplomats(RAG and Clyde) don't? Now that is funny.
Conspiracy theorists unite!!!
Here’s a FACT to consider: On December 15th, 2008 Trustee Allen voted against prohibiting alcohol at Prairie Family Days. In the minutes of the meeting he is quoted as saying that he voted against this because not only was the wording negative, but also because it "...eliminates all opportunity for alcohol...".
IMHO that's a request to keep the opportunity for alcohol at Prairie Family Days.
Read it for yourself at http://www.pleasantprairieonline.com/boardsandcommissions/villageboard/12-15-08%20VB%20Minutes.pdf
I think alcohol would change Prairie Family Days. Yes, there is a time and a place for nearly everything, including alcohol at other public events, but I’d like to keep the “Family” in Prairie Family Days. I’m voting for John Roscioli for Village Trustee #3.
See RAG's latest blog on Allen vs Roscioli and what RAG said under comments: As the record speaks for itself, the case here is closed on alcohol and gambling at Family Days. No evidence supports any claim that Allen voted in favor of either.
So who's right?
It's true that I do edit and censor comments, usually because the comment is a personal attack, way off track or inaccurate.
Dick, it's your blog to run how you see fit. My issue is with a contention that yours is more "unbiased" than any other. It's the nature of a blog to create open dialogue, with the author/creator holding THE creative license. You've kept more than slander from your sight, you've deleted rebuttals to your opinion...which is your right, but it still subjectifies all who read your blog. You can't have it both ways.
I've posted critiques of me/my campaign simply because they were issue related. Straightforward slurs (other than the Serpe humor, which I couldn't resist due to it's assinine nature) have been deleted.
BTW, I don't do anonymous...if it ain't worth putting your name on it, you probably don't believe it and it shouldn't be posted!!!!
The results are in and Clyde Allen's margin of victory is wider than it was in 2007 when he defeated incumbent Jeff Lauer.
Congrats to Clyde and also to John Roscioli for his service to the village.
Dick, you expect anything less of an incumbent with a mute group of colleagues? Only Serpe was public with his support of Clyde. Everyone else sat on their hands.
Interesting Anonymous comment.
There are many ways to look at this and I guess I will defer to Bob Wirch.
Doyle tried hard to get a Democrat to run against Wirch. No luck. Wirch won reelection and, afterward, said, "I'm my own man."
Not sure board members endorsing other board members is all that good all the time lest there be the perception of a "good old boy" network.
Elections over. Let it rest. Move on, there's nothing here to see any more....
Word.
A mute group of colleagues? I think not. Just look at Clyde's fundraiser, or lack there of. Sometimes silence is deafening and says more than words.
As Mike said, the election is over.
In this case, as RAG noted, Allen's margin of victory over Roscioli was bigger than it was over Lauer. It's over. Get used to it.
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